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CityFolk
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Advice on placement for 2 S1 Pros

After using one S1 for months now for smaller venues, funneling our acoustic duo (2 guitars and 2 mics) through a mixer into it, I finally bought a second S1 so now we each can simply plug directly into our own S1. We can run simpler connections and be totally on battery power.

I’m looking for advice or experiences from folks who have been using 2 S1s in terms of placement. We would like to continue to put the S1s on speaker stands behind us as we’ve been doing and was wondering about how far apart or close we should place them.

We don’t want to get too far apart as we want both our guitars and vocals to be somewhat blended together. Too close and I would expect to get some feedback issues. Too far apart may divide up our sound too much. Thoughts anyone?

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Re: Advice on placement for 2 S1 Pros

Hi Pete,

CityFolk posted:

After using one S1 for months now for smaller venues, funneling our acoustic duo (2 guitars and 2 mics) through a mixer into it, I finally bought a second S1

Congratulations!

so now we each can simply plug directly into our own S1. We can run simpler connections and be totally on battery power.

Great.



I’m looking for advice or experiences from folks who have been using 2 S1s in terms of placement. We would like to continue to put the S1s on speaker stands behind us as we’ve been doing and was wondering about how far apart or close we should place them.

Check out this article Cocktail Party Effect.

We don’t want to get too far apart as we want both our guitars and vocals to be somewhat blended together. Too close and I would expect to get some feedback issues.

If you are running the two S1 Pro systems independently (nothing is heard through both S1 Pro systems), then you won't increase feedback issues by having them close together.  The distance between them shouldn't have any bearing on gain-before-feedback

Too far apart may divide up our sound too much. Thoughts anyone?

I'd put them slightly behind you (so you can hear yourselves), perhaps flanking you.  If your partner's name was Bob

        Bob's S1                Pete's S1

                    Bob       Pete

A     U     D      I       E       N     C      E





The horizontal dispersion of the S1 Pro is about 110 degrees for the mid-high frequencies. So you might want to turn the S1 Pro systems inward (a little) depending on the size of your audience (how wide they are spread out from side to side). The wider apart they are, the more I would tend to move the S1 Pro systems inward, behind you.

But experiment with this. You'll figure it out as you play in different situations.

ST

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Re: Advice on placement for 2 S1 Pros

My partner and I have no trouble with each S1 on a stand to the side and slightly in front of us (about 2 feet) at an outdoor gig under a canopy...aimed slightly OUTWARD to cover the 1/2 acre we have to fill.  The stage is at one of the long sides of a rectangle.  They love us there...

We've also played with them further apart directly to the side or slightly behind.

And tilted back sitting on the floor to either side of us in a library (about 50 people).

We had to do the cocktail party effect a few weeks ago, each vocal/guitar into only one S1 one time when I forgot the power supply for my mixer (didn't double-check my list!) and didn't really enjoy it very much.

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Re: Advice on placement for 2 S1 Pros

@Chet what didn’t you like about the cocktail party effect?

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Re: Advice on placement for 2 S1 Pros

CityFolk posted:

@Chet what didn’t you like about the cocktail party effect?

1) It was at an outdoor farmer's market and had to cover about 1/2 acre at fairly high volume levels so could NOT set the S1s behind us and therefore half of the event got more of my voice and guitar and the other half got more my partner's voice and guitar (normally they all get our mix) -- and each of us had a harder time hearing the other.

2) It wasn't a "cocktail party"... 

3) If it had been and we were doing a "cocktail party" mix, I'd rather do it from the Touchmix sitting next to me than having to hop up and down to set 4 faders on 2 S1s to get the right mix.

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Re: Advice on placement for 2 S1 Pros

Chet that’s a tough gig under any circumstance. In retrospect, would it make sense to first do a sound check with the S1s behind you to get a good mix, then move them? Of course you couldn’t crank the volume like you might need so not sure that makes any sense. A good case for a master volume control.

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Re: Advice on placement for 2 S1 Pros

Sure, we got a decent mix using the faders on the S1s with S1s slightly pointed IN instead of the normal OUTWARD and lived with what we had.

I like having the mixer next to me on stage better though...