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Hi Scottcald,

scottcald posted:

As far as the S1 Pro, I do wish they'd publish SOME kind of guidance about size of audience, wattage, etc.  Even though it was hidden, you can find that info on the L1.    (130 for the Compact and 500 for the L1 MII)

I'd also love to see a compact with a little more power (200 watts) and bluetooth input as well.  

Here's a work in progress.

Bose S1 Pro compared to Bose L1® Compact

You'll find the sound pressure level and dispersion characteristics in the table on the linked page.

It's difficult to do a comparison with respect to the number of people in the audience - especially because the dispersion is different and you have so many combinations of doing things. 

The S1 Pro is available now and I'm sure people will start coming here to talk about how it performs in various settings.

Stayed tuned.

ST

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Hi Stos2,

Thanks for weighing in. It's nice to see you again.

stos2 posted:

Well, as a big Bose fan and one who has defended Bose against the Bose-bashers with facts and experience, I have to say I am somewhat disappointed at the S1 Pro (and the new Tonematches as well, but that's another post).  

I see you've posted in this thread too:  

Bose ToneMatch® mixers T8S and T4S

I'll catch up with you there soon.

I own a L1M2 w/2 B1s, a Compact and two T1's. I play in a duo as well as a 5- piece blues band, and use the L1s for both, and love it. We often use a Behringer powered sub for a little extra thump.  My duo partner also has a Compact and T1, with a little coaxing from me.

IMHO, Bose missed it by developing the S1 instead of a new Compact with bluetooth capability, battery power and a little more power and better integrated sub with a lower x-over. I guess I was hoping for many of the S1 features in a new/improved Compact-type package.  Why not?  It's kinda sad that Bose develops these systems, and the users seem to use them in ways not originally intended by Bose, with good success.  But Bose doesn't seem to listen to how musicians use them, or what we want, and then develop accordingly.  

Bose worked with lots of musicians during the development of the S1 Pro to engineer a product that would deliver value, especially where portability was a key requirement.

It sounds like you are well served by your L1 Compacts, and working at the outer edges of its capabilities. I understand why the S1 Pro is not the product to replace the L1® Compacts for you.

There is a lot of competition out there with Compact-like systems that have some of the features that I wished Bose had put into a new Compact.  Bose will always lead with superb sound, but I can see the appeal for better features, and with the lower pricing, can see some settling for other non-Bose systems.  The S1 is a neat unit, but certainly not nearly as useful as the Compact.  It's really not all that much more compact.  I just don't get it.  Maybe the S1 will sell well, and maybe I am off the mark.  I was just hoping for a new/better line array.  I wanted a new, bigger /better toy.  I'll still keep using my Bose units with pride.  I love them. That won't change.  I guess it's my fault for getting my hopes up. The S1 release really lacked in any "wow factor".   I know now that it will be a long wait for the next Bose "system".  Ugh  

When I first heard about the S1 Pro I remembered this discussion:
When even the Compact is too big

I hope that it will fit those situations well.

Even if you don't think you will have a use for it, I encourage you to keep an eye out for a chance to see and hear one. 

Cheers,

ST

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I got this from The Bose Professional Facebook page.

"The S1 system runs at 40 watts. It sounds small but we wanted to make the S1 as efficient as possible to achieve the best possible performance for it's size, especially if you are using the optional battery. The S1 has a 3-element array so you get more coverage and SPL, and since the drivers are precisely matched to the Class-D amp inside and controlled by Bose DSP, you can expect surprisingly big sound for it size. Hope this info helps! Remember that power is not always indicative of performance. LED light bulb power is a good example of this."

"We're rating the S1 as 103 dB continuous and 109 dB peak, compared to the L1 Compact which is 106 dB/112dB peak."

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I'm certainly not an expert in amplification but, when learning to play Blues Harmonica, I learned more than I ever wanted to know.  Harmonicas are very hard to smplify without feedback.  In any event, my understanding is that sound pressure level is a better indicator of how much coverage you'll get that the rating in watts.  That said, I'd think the S1,  based on given specs, will rival a compact.

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I'd just like to comment on Paul Rumble's and KingBiscuit's last posts:

Paul Rumbol posted:

I got this from The Bose Professional Facebook page.

"We're rating the S1 as 103 dB continuous and 109 dB peak, compared to the L1 Compact which is 106 dB/112dB peak."

KingBiscuit posted:

In any event, my understanding is that sound pressure level is a better indicator of how much coverage you'll get that the rating in watts.  That said, I'd think the S1,  based on given specs, will rival a compact.

Regarding SPL says more than wattage. I absolutely agree with that because wattage doesn't take into account the sensitivity of the loudspeakers being used (given in dB/per 1 Watt/at 1 meter distance from the loudspeaker). 

For anyone interested in reading about how wattage, SPL, loudness etc. are linked, these might make interesting reading.

http://www.sengpielaudio.com/c...lator-efficiency.htm

http://www.sengpielaudio.com/c...ator-levelchange.htm

For others :

Double the sound pressure means raising the SPL by +6dB

Psycho-acousticians say that a soundlevel 10 dB greater usually means "double the loudness" or "twice as loud" 

Taking this into account I would have thought that the S1 will not be able to rival a Compact. Also taking into account that the Array of the Compact has 180° dispersion compared to 100° with the S1, and also that the Compact array has more loudspeakers, I would think that the Compact will transport the sound further than the S1. These are just my personal views. I haven't yet heard an S1 but am looking forward to having the chance to compare the 2 so this can all be only conjecture on my part.

Maybe someone who gets a the chance to test the 2 together could make recordings showing the recording levels respectively at various distances from the units, or better still by using an SPL meter. 

Were I a betting man my money would be on the Compact all the way.

Tony

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Good information Tony.   I guess a Hooterville way of looking at it is there is a big cost difference between the two.  The extra plastic for the tower in the Classic wouldn't cost that much.  I would hope if I paid the extra bucks I'd get a better system.

What if you bought 2 S1s and Daisy Chained them together.   Placed them 10 or 15 feet apart.  For a little more $ than a compact, you'd get great coverage and versatility and maybe more volume.

I love discussing the possibilities but in the end, I'll probably just stay with my L1 M2. 

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The advantage of having 2 would mean that for a little more than the price of a Compact you could have a stereo system.

And for me I also don't see any reason to change what I already have as the S1 doesn't really offer me anything to warrant laying out for it as I'm extremely happy with my Model II + Compact systems.

Regarding the "more volume", for me it would only be interesting if the coverage in the room itself was comparable to a Compact.

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Paul Rumbol posted:

Bose aren't very helpful when giving specs on how loud their products are. I have an L1 +B2 & people always ask me, how many watts is your PA? I can only reply 'hopefully loud enough'. I suspect that the S1 Pro will struggle outside, volume wise.

Here is Your information about Bose L1 + B2 : https://assets.bose.com/conten...et/tds_l1_model2.pdf

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Paul Rumbol posted:

Bose aren't very helpful when giving specs on how loud their products are. I have an L1 +B2 & people always ask me, how many watts is your PA? I can only reply 'hopefully loud enough'. I suspect that the S1 Pro will struggle outside, volume wise.

Here is Your information about Bose L1 + B2 : https://assets.bose.com/conten...et/tds_l1_model2.pdf

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Hi Algis,

thanks for posting the link to the Bose specs for the L1 + B2 combination. It does say how many watts the system has, but if he/you read  what's in the links I put up earlier today you can see that the wattage doesn't really say much on its own. For the 250W high/mid + the 250W low end the Model II can certainly cover an extremely large area. Not deafeningly loud, but who really wants that anyway?

Paul Rumbol posted:

I suspect that the S1 Pro will struggle outside, volume wise.

For busking purposes you don't really need to be terrifically loud. In most countries I would imagine that it's not really allowed to be really loud. What you want is to have enough volume to be heard within a few yards or so. I would imagine that the S1 will cover these needs. If the Rechargeable battery lasts long enough per charge I can see the S1 doing quite well for buskers prepared to go the extra mile money wise to have Bose sound.

I do find it to be a shame that they didn't offer the possibility that Roland did with the AC 33. That thing runs on 8 AA batteries. Two sets of those as rechargeables (Eneloop are really good) and you can run all day. Maybe that will become a possibility in time.

Tony