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Distorted 1x12" Combo Amp Direct Into F1?

Hello, 

I'm interested in purchasing a F1 Model 812 and I wanted to know if it is possible to run my Blackstar HT40 1x12" combo direct into the F1? When I play live I can use the Emulated Output on the back of the amp and run the amp direct into the house PA system/board. However most of the time my amp is mic'd up by the sound guy and it's put through the house PA that way...mixed at the board. Running it direct through the emulated out direct in is ideal for me in this application because I wouldn't have to worry about micing up the amp when there's no sound guy. 

I think I would probably need to purchase a separate tonematch to pull this off, I just wanted to make sure it would work before I move forward with the purchase.

I want to use the F1 for my backing tracks, vocals and I want my distorted electric guitar to roar through the F1. Im not in need of any additional processing from the F1 or tonematch in regards to distortion. My amp creates my ideal tone, I just need it to be amplified and put direct info the F1 via my emulated out on the back of my combo. 

Thanks guys. 

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Re: Distorted 1x12" Combo Amp Direct Into F1?

Hi Funboy,

Thank you for joining the Bose Portable PA Community. Thanks for the fun question.

Funboy posted:

Hello, 

I'm interested in purchasing a F1 Model 812 and I wanted to know if it is possible to run my Blackstar HT40 1x12" combo direct into the F1? When I play live I can use the Emulated Output on the back of the amp and run the amp direct into the house PA system/board. However most of the time my amp is mic'd up by the sound guy and it's put through the house PA that way...mixed at the board. Running it direct through the emulated out direct in is ideal for me in this application because I wouldn't have to worry about micing up the amp when there's no sound guy. 

If the output from the Blackstar works when you run it straight to the house PA system/board, you should be able to run straight to one of the inputs on the F1 Model 812.

I've done something similar with my Kemper Profiling Amp.  I was running two F1 Model 812s (one on either side of the stage). I was set up close to the F1 Model 812 on the left side, so I ran a line from the Kemper to the F1 Model 812 channel 2 (1/4 inch balanced input).  I had another line from the Kemper to an L1® Compact behind me  that was serving as my personal monitor. This would be similar to running the Blackstar behind you.



I think I would probably need to purchase a separate tonematch to pull this off, I just wanted to make sure it would work before I move forward with the purchase.

Yes, based on the list of inputs below, a ToneMatch mixer should serve you well.

I want to use the F1 for my backing tracks, vocals and I want my distorted electric guitar to roar through the F1. Im not in need of any additional processing from the F1 or tonematch in regards to distortion. My amp creates my ideal tone, I just need it to be amplified and put direct info the F1 via my emulated out on the back of my combo. 

Thanks guys. 

You've given this a lot of thought, and it sounds like it should all work as you expect.

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Thanks ST. I appreciate you answering my question. 

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Hi Funboy,

Happy to help. 

Please let us know if you have any other questions.

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Re: Distorted 1x12" Combo Amp Direct Into F1?

I have another question. How would just one F1 Model 812 (no sub) do in a live setting backing track, guitar and vocals...as the only PA system? Would it be stupid and weak sounding with 1-812 one say the right or left side of the stage? Will it be really low sounding in the audience on the opposite side of where the speaker is positioned? I've read it still sounds loud and clear beyond 100 degree claim...can anyone give more first hand info? Do you think F1 would fill a mid sized 150-300 person room, without sounding thin and amateur?

I don't play BIG rooms and most places I play have a solid house system, but I want the versatility of a portable *** kicking PA system to be able to pull off an *** kicking show anywhere from beaches to parking lots to gymnasiums  

I was seriously looking at the new S1 & L1 compact but the single now F1 Model 812 has my attention as I think it may be a better more powerful option.

 

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Hi Funboy,

Funboy posted:

I have another question. How would just one F1 Model 812 (no sub) do in a live setting backing track, guitar and vocals...as the only PA system? Would it be stupid and weak sounding with 1-812 one say the right or left side of the stage?

Will it be really low sounding in the audience on the opposite side of where the speaker is positioned?

I've set up an F1 Model 812 on a stand facing diagonally from one corner of the room to the opposite corner - the one farthest away.  Setting it up this worked fine. The F1 Model 812 wasn't deep in the corner, but it was at the corner described by the edge of the stage where it met the wall and a foot or two back.  I was near the front of the stage and I was able to hear it well enough for monitoring.  

I've read it still sounds loud and clear beyond 100 degree claim...can anyone give more first hand info?

I don't think anyone at Bose is going to promise that it will sound as good outside the 100-degree horizontal dispersion range, as it does when you're listening directly in front of it. It's not terrible outside that range, but the farther out you go, the less clarity you will hear in the mid-high frequencies. 

Do you think F1 would fill a mid sized 150-300 person room, without sounding thin and amateur?

It's not going to sound thin and amateur. It puts out plenty of sound down to 52 Hz.  At points farthest away, it may not be as loud as you'd like, especially if the room is noisy.



I don't play BIG rooms and most places I play have a solid house system, but I want the versatility of a portable *** kicking PA system to be able to pull off an *** kicking show anywhere from beaches to parking lots to gymnasiums  

I was seriously looking at the new S1 & L1 compact but the single now F1 Model 812 has my attention as I think it may be a better more powerful option.

The F1 Model 812 is the more powerful option over the S1 Pro or the L1® Compact, when you're within the 100-degree horizontal dispersion.

By the way, that horizontal dispersion characteristic is primarily for frequencies above 600 Hz handled by the 8-driver flexible array. The frequencies below that are not as focussed.

The advantage of the L1® Compact and the S1 Pro is - they are more portable than the F1 Model 812. And: The L1® Compact has a horizontal dispersion of approximately 180 degrees. The S1 Pro is even lighter, and it can run on batteries.

I've used my L1® Compact in a rowdy bar with about 100 people as my guitar rig with the band. It was fine - but I ran my vocal through the house system.  Just for fun, I tried the S1 Pro in the same situation. It never sounded thin or amateurish, but it wasn't loud enough to penetrate the room. 

How's that for food for thought?

ST