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Just got my first Bose products ever!

I just got a pair of L1M1's with 2 B1's for each side. I have to admit, not terribly impressed yet. I like the size and weight of the system, but so far I don't think it sounds any better than my old system (JBL speakers and QSC amps). It doesn't sound any worse either. Don't get me wrong, I'm not even close to giving up on L1M1's. I know I need to experiment more and get some advice from the pros.
First off, I use the L1M1's for DJ applications (weddings and bars). I bought a Denon (DN-X900) mixer for my system. I would like to try the T1, but I wanted a rack mount unit. The T1 looks difficult. Is it? I also have concerns that the four B1's will give me enough bass for the hip hop that I play in bars and some private gigs. I'm still trying to figure out if I'm just trying to get used to the "different sound of Bose" that everyone talks about. The bass sounds good, but it just doesn't have that sound that an 18" woofer has. Although, the more I listen to B1's, I think that may be a good thing. It seems like it is a cleaner sound, if that makes sense.
I'm not sure why I'm even writing this post. Maybe I just need some reassurance that I made the right choice and I just need to take time to learn my new system. I have to be honest, I haven't even had these speakers outside of my garage yet. Obviously, my garage isn't the best acoustical environment.
A couple questions. Should I take advantage of the trial period for the T1? What wireless mics do you all recommend? I haven't bought any yet. Has anyone ever had a problem with a beverage being spilled onto the base of the L1M1?
Sorry for rambling. Any insight or comments will be appreciated. Thank you.

Justin

PS - JAKAMA - The first two letters of my three children. Jakob, Kaden, Marlee just in case you were wondering.
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Re: Just got my first Bose products ever!

Hi Justin,

Thanks for joining the forum.

Let's see if I can address some of these questions:

T1® is not hard to use if you are a performing musician. It isn't simple to use if you want to control prerecorded music in stereo, but you can do it. If you want or need sliders, then the T1® may not be your first choice.

To really hear what the L1®s can do for you, you need to get them into a space that is typical of where you work, and then get them up to performance volume. It is going to be difficult to gauge that in your garage. The L1®s scale up into a space differently than most systems so you can't take what you hear in a small space and then try to imagine a bigger space.

If you are in the US or Canada, you can take advantage of the 45 day trial if you purchase from Bose. Different vendors may have different terms.

See: Bose Returns and Exchanges

In other parts of the world the terms may vary.

As for wireless microphones - please tell us how you would be using them.
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Re: Just got my first Bose products ever!

i moved from conventional hk bins and tops to bose
i have 2 l1's and 4 b1's i am a dj doing all the usual weddings and stuff and actually find 4 bins can be a bit much at times and quite often use only 2

i think in the beguining i had the same concerns as you but when you realise what the bose can do with very little effort you will stop being scepticle
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Re: Just got my first Bose products ever!

Hi Jakama, I use a Denon X500 mixer which is basically the same unit except it doesn't have digital inputs & a few other minor differences. I have had great success using the X500.

I have tried the T1 & didn't care for the sound as much as the Denon, plus the X900/X500 mixer is laid out so well & is easy to use. The T1 is not as easy to use especially if you want to run stereo.
Here are the setting I use & that sound great to me. First turn on the -10 attenuation on the back of your mixer. This will help make the signal "less hot" which is a good thing when working with the L1's. Next use a XLR to XLR cable from the mixer to channel one. Then set channel one to preset # 58(the standard DJ setting) & put the trim on channel one all the way down. Then plug in your R1 remote & set the trim on channel one to the little dot before 12 o'clock (I guess it would be about 10-11 o'clock. At this point when you start to hit reds on your mixer you will notice that you will start to see the LED signal indicator on the L1 power stand showing a bunch of red. You may get a red flicker or two before a little before it hits reds on the mixer but that's OK. Lastly set the R1's master volume to twelve o'clock - straight up.

Now at this point a few last tips:
1) Don't use the Eq on the mixer, use the R1-leave the X900 flat for the music. For the mic I usually cut the bass to about nine o'clock & add just a hint of highs.
2) Set the volume knob on the X900 to about two - three o'clock & leave it(mostly). Now use the faders/ trim of each channel to control the volume & if you need more volume use the trim on that channel to dial up more.
3) Now if you need more volume on the R1 remote adjust the master volume to the next dot past twelve which should be about two o'clock
(I only use this settings for "larger" shows).

4)As for four B1's being loud enough for a bar, yes it will be plenty & too much in others. One thing i would invest in if I were you is a A1 Packlite amp from Bose, because there will be some bars where two L1's will be too loud but you need more low end. Once a month I play at a casino where because of the acoustic properties of the room if I use two L1's it's too loud, but if I use one L1 with two B1's it sounds a bit weak on the low end. So in turn by eliminating one L1 & by adding the Packlite with the other two B1's it sounds well balanced & awesome!

5) If you end up using one L1 for a smaller gig turn on the the stereo to mono switch on the back of your mixer(this will send both the right & left to both XLR's so that you can plug into just one & you'll get to all the music in just one L1. If you do this just make sure to flip it back to stereo before you use both L1's- dual mono is a no no unless you are spacing the L1's at least twenty feet. This is because of the signal cancellation that occurs when they are too close & playing the same exact material.

If you have any more questions give me a ring, I'd be glad to help. 715-682-9539
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Re: Just got my first Bose products ever!

Justin,
Welcome to the forum.

Microphones
I have found sennheiser mics to work great. I use the ew100 g2 wirless and the e835 wired. They work excellent, but many other choices out there.

T1
I found it very simple to use. I use a computer to DJ with. The T1 is an incredible sound card.

Bass
I mostly do weddings, but we do other events as well. I have found that people are amazed at the clarity of the sound. I find the bass bins to add enough bass to make the music sound true, rather than music overloaded with bass. Everyone hears differently and we all have our own preferences. But I get way more compliments now than I ever did with any other system.
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Re: Just got my first Bose products ever!

Jakama,
Welcome to the Bose forums.

I started with the same thing. I went through many dj type mixers but none made the sound the L1's were capable of producing. I switched to a band type mixer, a small Behringer and the sound I was looking to get was almost there. It was MUCH better than I ever had with a dj mixer. Keep in mind, you don't turn your mixer all the way up or to the zero on the main volume. These are not your conventional type speakers. Gain staging is going to be your best bet in getting these to sound the best they can with an aftermarket type mixer.

When I first started with them on my first job, I turned the trim on channel 1 of the power stand all the way up, had a numark mixer, turned the main to zero, and of course started the music on channel 1 of the mixer at 8 or so... and I said "What The ... this sounds horrible." I was not happy... so I came here to get help and now after 3 years of having this system I WOULD NEVER play with another set of speakers beyond my control. The best bet is not to overload the signal into the power stand. It will make it sound bad. When I got the T1 it was like someone took the blankets of these babies and I never looked back.

Are you a laptop dj? If so, go with the T1, if not wait for Bose to hopefully make a dj type mixer.
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Re: Just got my first Bose products ever!

Hey Justin,

I completely relate to what you're describing when you say you gave up the JBL set up and are trying adjust to your Bose. It's completely normal to feel that way because the Bose sounds a lot different. I'm going to be really honest and tell you that the "punch" of the JBL's isn't going to be there anymore. However, that's actually a good thing and here's why... When you listened to your JBL's and they had the ability to thump your chest, you're thinking, cool! However, 30 minutes into that, you're thinking "my brain and my body needs a break from this and you're audience will feel the same way. That level of volume and intensity is cool for a few minutes but then your body, your ears and especially your nerves want a break from it.

I let my friend borrow my Bose Compact for a week. He's a solo acoustic guy like me. After a week, he surprised me by saying "I like the T1 but not the Compact. It didn't have the "punch" of a regular speaker." I know exactly why he said that because he's from the old school of rock 'n roll, thinking you have to hit people over the head with an obnoxious speaker to get your point across. You don't and I'm trying very hard to retrain his brain to appreciate the sound of the Bose.

One thing I do recommend is to elevate your L1's about a foot off the ground to reach more people in the back of the room. When L1's are used for DJ-ing, people have a tendency to dance to close to your set up, therefore blocking the sound to travel to the back of the room. It's a problem I used to have and solved it with elevating the speakers.

Hope you stick with the Bose, your audience will appreciate more than you know.
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Re: Just got my first Bose products ever!

I live in western PA. I don't know where 715 area code is. When would be a good time to call you?
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Originally posted by jdbassentertainment.com:
Hi Jakama, I use a Denon X500 mixer which is basically the same unit except it doesn't have digital inputs & a few other minor differences. I have had great success using the X500.

I have tried the T1 & didn't care for the sound as much as the Denon, plus the X900/X500 mixer is laid out so well & is easy to use. The T1 is not as easy to use especially if you want to run stereo.
Here are the setting I use & that sound great to me. First turn on the -10 attenuation on the back of your mixer. This will help make the signal "less hot" which is a good thing when working with the L1's. Next use a XLR to XLR cable from the mixer to channel one. Then set channel one to preset # 58(the standard DJ setting) & put the trim on channel one all the way down. Then plug in your R1 remote & set the trim on channel one to the little dot before 12 o'clock (I guess it would be about 10-11 o'clock. At this point when you start to hit reds on your mixer you will notice that you will start to see the LED signal indicator on the L1 power stand showing a bunch of red. You may get a red flicker or two before a little before it hits reds on the mixer but that's OK. Lastly set the R1's master volume to twelve o'clock - straight up.

Now at this point a few last tips:
1) Don't use the Eq on the mixer, use the R1-leave the X900 flat for the music. For the mic I usually cut the bass to about nine o'clock & add just a hint of highs.
2) Set the volume knob on the X900 to about two - three o'clock & leave it(mostly). Now use the faders/ trim of each channel to control the volume & if you need more volume use the trim on that channel to dial up more.
3) Now if you need more volume on the R1 remote adjust the master volume to the next dot past twelve which should be about two o'clock
(I only use this settings for "larger" shows).

4)As for four B1's being loud enough for a bar, yes it will be plenty & too much in others. One thing i would invest in if I were you is a A1 Packlite amp from Bose, because there will be some bars where two L1's will be too loud but you need more low end. Once a month I play at a casino where because of the acoustic properties of the room if I use two L1's it's too loud, but if I use one L1 with two B1's it sounds a bit weak on the low end. So in turn by eliminating one L1 & by adding the Packlite with the other two B1's it sounds well balanced & awesome!

5) If you end up using one L1 for a smaller gig turn on the the stereo to mono switch on the back of your mixer(this will send both the right & left to both XLR's so that you can plug into just one & you'll get to all the music in just one L1. If you do this just make sure to flip it back to stereo before you use both L1's- dual mono is a no no unless you are spacing the L1's at least twenty feet. This is because of the signal cancellation that occurs when they are too close & playing the same exact material.

If you have any more questions give me a ring, I'd be glad to help. 715-682-9539
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Re: Just got my first Bose products ever!

Welcome to the world of Bose JAKAMA. You'll love the sound more each gig. Where are you in western PA.? I am from Westmoreland county. The guys on here will not steer you wrong. We're all in this together.
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Re: Just got my first Bose products ever!

Between 9am & 2pm central standard time would be fine.