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S1 Pro with Subwoofers

This discussion has moved in a different direction so we have moved Saxman's original thread to S1 Pro Review

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Re: S1 Pro with Subwoofers

Thanks I was going to get another one to DJ small backyard parties with Karaoke but I think I will stick with one for wedding ceremonies from everything you have said I think buying another one would be wasted money.i already have 2 QSC’s for dance parties I was looking for a back up system for smaller gigs that was light weight

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Artie w/the Party posted:

Thanks I was going to get another one to DJ small backyard parties with Karaoke but I think I will stick with one for wedding ceremonies from everything you have said I think buying another one would be wasted money.i already have 2 QSC’s for dance parties I was looking for a back up system for smaller gigs that was light weight

Our company provides sound for plenty of weddings, retail, and corporate events. I just tested the S1 Pros and think they are ideal for small setups. We use Bose, QSC, EV, and JBL. For retail gigs the S1 Pros shine. You don't need to thump out, just background music for about 70 sq feet. For weddings, pair these with some Sennheiser wireless receivers and you have wireless speakers you can put anywhere. Majority of our weddings we used L1 Compacts connected to a battery inverter. With the S1s we can setup quicker as the batteries are built in. If using for a small party, just add a sub with it and roll off the bass or use a crossover. For anytime we do dances, we always bring a sub so the tops can go louder without distortion.

For our company, it's all about setup time, portability, and how much the client is willing to pay. The S1s provide clean sound, are compact and lightweight. For weddings on a budget, we can use the S1s for the majority of the sound. Battery operated for ceremony and cocktails, then if it's a small reception, plug in the power and use them with a sub. This would be for our smallest events on a budget.

This is what our company recommends to our clients based on our current equipment:

  • <50 guests - (2) Bose S1, (1) 12” EV ZXA1 Sub
  • 50-70 - (2) Bose L1 Compact, (1) 12” EV ZXA1 Sub
  • 70-100 - (2) QSC K8,  (1) 12” EV ZXA1 Sub
  • 100-150 - (2) JBL PRX 710,  (1) 15” JBL PRX 715XLF Sub
  • 150-225 - (2) JBL PRX 712, (2) 15” JBL PRX 715XLF Sub
  • 225-250 - (2) JBL PRX 712, (2) Bose S1 remote speakers, (2) 15” JBL PRX 715XLF Sub
  • 250-350 - (4) JBL PRX 712, (2) 15” JBL PRX 715XLF Sub
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Re: S1 Pro with Subwoofers

Thank you this helps

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The base your describing is from the blue tooth port not if your using a DJ controller or mixer right Could I use my ev elx 200 18 inch sub instead of a 12 inch?

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Artie w/the Party posted:

The base your describing is from the blue tooth port not if your using a DJ controller or mixer right Could I use my ev elx 200 18 inch sub instead of a 12 inch?

Bluetooth is not advisable if you are doing any live mixing from the controller unless maybe you use APT-X receiver and transmitter on both ends. Even with that, it still isn't that in sync so trying to scratch and beat mix is hard, also any mic announcements are delayed. If I go wireless, I use the Sennheiser body packs. It's analog but there is no delay. I only use wireless during ceremonies and for additional remote speakers.

I go from controller -> mixer -> sub  -> S1 Pros. Although you can use an 18, there would be a gap in frequency range as well as the 18 overpowering the S1s. That mid range kick would be missing. You don't want your mains to be that much smaller than your sub. 18's are good with 12" mains. Also, an 18 defeats the idea of going compact. An 18 would be overkill for the area that an S1 is capable of covering.

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Thank you I guess I would have to buy a 12inch sub but in the mean time 2 S1s without a sub would probably work for 50 people I mainly play for family crowds mixed with oldies country and pop

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Artie w/the Party posted:

Thank you I guess I would have to buy a 12inch sub but in the mean time 2 S1s without a sub would probably work for 50 people I mainly play for family crowds mixed with oldies country and pop

The S1s are good for people listening to music, for dancing I would definitely use a sub or go with a pair of mains that have more bass response like a QSC K8 if you go without a sub. When people are dancing, I've found that people enjoy it more when they can feel the beat. If you start playing dance music at full range performance levels, the S1s bottom out. Even with our L1 Compacts, we match them with a sub if there is any dancing. 

The reason we use the 12" EV ZXA1 subs is because that is what we have in our inventory. I was thinking that a B1 might be an option, but it sounds like the B1 needs a crossover to make it sound good. I don't want to add more items in the chain as S1s are made to simplify setups. I was wondering if the 8" Fishman SA Sub might be a good addition to the S1 because it has it's own low pass filter, but I have no experience with that brand.

 

 

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Thank you for all your help if I have to bring a sub or my k12s to get base on the S1 I may as well just use my QSCs for dancing and use the S-1 for ceremonies 

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Artie w/the Party posted:

Thank you for all your help if I have to bring a sub or my k12s to get base on the S1 I may as well just use my QSCs for dancing and use the S-1 for ceremonies 

Yup, no need for S1 on dance floor if you have K12s. S1 is for convenience in ceremony or for some really small gigs. Main benefit is using it where  you can't get power.

We bring what is required for the occasion. As stealthy as possible but still enough to handle the requirements. Since some of our DJs gig 6 days a week, we make sure that they bring what they need without breaking their backs.

For those clients on a budget, the S1/sub combo would be our minimum dance package yet still produce a nice clean sound.