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MColin28
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Shure KSM9 and Vocal Pedal - Not getting phantom to mic T4s

Hi all.  Recently I got the Shure KSM9 Vocal Mic and I plug my current mic setup into a TC Helicon Voicetone Correct XT ( https://www.sweetwater.com/sto...xEAYYASABEgJFKPD_BwE 

That said, the Phantom 48v power isn't going from the T4s through the pedal to the mic.  Can someone help?  I usually play in a duo acoustic act.  Can I just get an adapter to connect to mic, go through the pedal, then to the board?...something like this?  https://www.sweetwater.com/sto...phantom-power-supply

 

Need help for a gig Friday.  Thanks!

 

-Matt

 

 

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ChetDude
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Re: Shure KSM9 and Vocal Pedal - Not getting phantom to mic T4s

Yes you can get use an external phantom power supply.  (don't forget extra cable).

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Re: Shure KSM9 and Vocal Pedal - Not getting phantom to mic T4s

Chet posted:

Yes you can get use an external phantom power supply.  (don't forget extra cable).

Is this this simplest way?

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Re: Shure KSM9 and Vocal Pedal - Not getting phantom to mic T4s

Hi Matt (MColin28),

The simplest way is to turn on phantom power on the TC-Helicon VoiceTone Correct XT.

Here is an excerpt from the owners manual.

You can turn off the phantom power on the T4S.

Does that help?
ST

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Re: Shure KSM9 and Vocal Pedal - Not getting phantom to mic T4s

ST beat me to the punch with his reply. I’d plug the mic into the XT and use its phantom power for the mic, and then send the XT’s output to the T4. Its a line signal out of the XT, so you wouldn’t need the phantom power on the T4. Since the XT is providing warmth and compression in addition to the pitch correction to your vocal, I would set the mic channel FLAT on the T4 — rather than using a KMS9 or other Tonematch setting. I assume the guitar channel is just a clean pass thru, used for pitch correction reference, so you could go ahead and use a guitar Tonematch preset for that channel, and then output from the T4 to your PA or amp. 

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Re: Shure KSM9 and Vocal Pedal - Not getting phantom to mic T4s

Awesome guys! Thank you! I had no idea the Voicetone had the phantom power option. Makes perfect sense! I dug all over the internet looking for the phantom for the pedal. Unreal. 

 

So then, I think you answered but to make sure, do not use any tonematch settings on the T4s? Given the warmth and so on applied, no need to do a tonematch?

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Re: Shure KSM9 and Vocal Pedal - Not getting phantom to mic T4s

You hold down the warmth and manual buttons simultaneously on the XT to switch phantom power on and off. A red light should show when phantom power is on. As for tonematch settings — you won’t hurt anything by experimenting, but in general it’s a bad idea to add processing on top of processing. You’re more likely to get a muddy mess. I’d just switch the T4 flat and let the XT handle the EQ in this application. Later, should you find you no longer need the pitch correction, I think you’ll be surprised by how much better the mic sounds plugged directly into the T4 with an appropriate Tonematch selected. 

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Re: Shure KSM9 and Vocal Pedal - Not getting phantom to mic T4s

If you wanted to experiment with Tonematch settings, send the signal from the XT as dry as possible, that is, turn the warmth OFF and send the pitch-corrected vocal to the T4 with as little processing as possible. You can add reverb and delay on the T4. I don’t recall seeing your mic on the T4’s presets, but try some of the other condenser presets for comparison. But the flat setting is aways a good starting place. 

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Re: Shure KSM9 and Vocal Pedal - Not getting phantom to mic T4s

rycowan posted:

If you wanted to experiment with Tonematch settings, send the signal from the XT as dry as possible, that is, turn the warmth OFF and send the pitch-corrected vocal to the T4 with as little processing as possible. You can add reverb and delay on the T4. I don’t recall seeing your mic on the T4’s presets, but try some of the other condenser presets for comparison. But the flat setting is aways a good starting place. 

I ONLY use it for pitch correction. I know it’s a crutch.....but it provides me confidence. Not sure how much it affects actual outcome tho....?

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Re: Shure KSM9 and Vocal Pedal - Not getting phantom to mic T4s

MColin28 posted:
rycowan posted:

If you wanted to experiment with Tonematch settings, send the signal from the XT as dry as possible, that is, turn the warmth OFF and send the pitch-corrected vocal to the T4 with as little processing as possible. You can add reverb and delay on the T4. I don’t recall seeing your mic on the T4’s presets, but try some of the other condenser presets for comparison. But the flat setting is aways a good starting place. 

I ONLY use it for pitch correction. I know it’s a crutch.....but it provides me confidence. Not sure how much it affects actual outcome tho....?

Was actually thinking of keeping the pedal dry and using ONLY the pitch correction. Then using the Neumann preset. We’ll see!