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Rickyt123
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Tonematch connect to 2x XLR

Hi,

I need some help please! I have been asked to play a show where I plug into the venues system.This is what they have sent me.

A86F20A3-9046-46CF-AC5D-F06FE85FA6AB.jpegWhat cable will I need to connect from the Tonematch T1. Is it 1 x XLR to the master output or am I using 2 x XLR To the master or aux? Or do I use master and aux outputs on the Tonematch to the 2 x Xlr? 

Really stuck on this, your help would be much appreciated!

if you could send a pic of the exact cable required and an explanation of anything I need to do with the Tonematch to ensure smooth running.

ive been trawling the manual but can’t find anything which relates to this.

 

Bose product name Tonematch T1

 

Country Uk

 

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Re: Tonematch connect to 2x XLR

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Hello Rickeyt123,

 

I'm afraid the venue may have raised more questions than answers with the picture they sent!

 

The answer to your question is "it depends".

 

Will you be using your own L1 system and also sending a feed to the venue (house), or will you be using only the T1 with the house's system?  Do you have to use both jacks?  Does one jack send a signal to half the house's speakers and the other jack to the other half, or are they just two separate connections to the house's mixer (i.e., you can use either one?)

 

If you are using your own L1 system to power your T1, and you feed the house from the master out, any master volume change to your L1 will also change the feed sent to the house.  If the house wanted you to send a hotter signal, it might make your L1 too loud on stage.  Conversely, if you're sending too hot a signal, they might ask you to turn down, making your L1 too soft on stage.

 

Setting up an Aux out would solve a couple of problems, as you can create a separate mix for the house with volume controlled independently of the master volume control.

 

Now, regarding the jacks -- there are several scenarios, depending on where they connect to the house system:

  • If you can use just one wall jack (best-case scenario) the connection is simple, use one 1/4" TRS to XLR male cable.  If you're using your L1, I'd recommend using the Aux port as described above.  If you're not using your L1, then just using Master out should be fine.
  • If you have to use both wall jacks, then you have another decision to make:
    • You can use one 1/4" TRS to XLR male cable from Master out to one jack, and one 1/4" TRS to XLR male cable from Aux out to the other jack.  The downside is that you'll have two volumes to manage (Master and Aux) and you still might run into the possibility of L1/house balance.
    • You can purchase a line-level splitter (such as the Whirlwind Line Splitter/Balancer) to send two identical signals to the two jacks from one T1 connection.  You'd run two XLR female to XLR male cables from the splitter to the wall jacks, and then either a 1/4" TRS to 1/4" TRS or a 1/4" TRS to XLR male from the the T1 to the splitter (from the Master out or Aux out, whichever fits your needs best.)
  • NOTE:  Some may recommend using a Y-cable, and it might work fine.  You would need two cables:  A 1/4" TRS to XLR male cable from the T1 to the Y-cable, and a one-XLR-female to two-XLR-male Y-cable to the two wall jacks.  Personally, I do not recommend this solution as your signal output is like to be lower, you do not know exactly how the system is wired on the other side of the wall, and if you get the wrong Y-cable, it could damage their system and yours.
  • There is one other option you might consider.  Get a small, cheap one- or two-channel stereo mixer to go in between your T1 and the wall jacks.  That way you can send one signal from your T1 to a mono channel on the mixer, and then two XLR cables from it to the wall jacks.  That would almost certainly be cheaper than the line splitter.  You could control the volume sent to the house independently, but you would be adding another second volume control to contend with.

I know that's a lot of complexity, and extra expense (especially if you get the line splitter.)  In your case, it also depends on how often you hope to play at this venue.  The options I've listed should cover the most likely scenarios.

 

Does that help?

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Re: Tonematch connect to 2x XLR

Author Accepted Answer selected by Rickyt123

Hello Rickeyt123,

 

I'm afraid the venue may have raised more questions than answers with the picture they sent!

 

The answer to your question is "it depends".

 

Will you be using your own L1 system and also sending a feed to the venue (house), or will you be using only the T1 with the house's system?  Do you have to use both jacks?  Does one jack send a signal to half the house's speakers and the other jack to the other half, or are they just two separate connections to the house's mixer (i.e., you can use either one?)

 

If you are using your own L1 system to power your T1, and you feed the house from the master out, any master volume change to your L1 will also change the feed sent to the house.  If the house wanted you to send a hotter signal, it might make your L1 too loud on stage.  Conversely, if you're sending too hot a signal, they might ask you to turn down, making your L1 too soft on stage.

 

Setting up an Aux out would solve a couple of problems, as you can create a separate mix for the house with volume controlled independently of the master volume control.

 

Now, regarding the jacks -- there are several scenarios, depending on where they connect to the house system:

  • If you can use just one wall jack (best-case scenario) the connection is simple, use one 1/4" TRS to XLR male cable.  If you're using your L1, I'd recommend using the Aux port as described above.  If you're not using your L1, then just using Master out should be fine.
  • If you have to use both wall jacks, then you have another decision to make:
    • You can use one 1/4" TRS to XLR male cable from Master out to one jack, and one 1/4" TRS to XLR male cable from Aux out to the other jack.  The downside is that you'll have two volumes to manage (Master and Aux) and you still might run into the possibility of L1/house balance.
    • You can purchase a line-level splitter (such as the Whirlwind Line Splitter/Balancer) to send two identical signals to the two jacks from one T1 connection.  You'd run two XLR female to XLR male cables from the splitter to the wall jacks, and then either a 1/4" TRS to 1/4" TRS or a 1/4" TRS to XLR male from the the T1 to the splitter (from the Master out or Aux out, whichever fits your needs best.)
  • NOTE:  Some may recommend using a Y-cable, and it might work fine.  You would need two cables:  A 1/4" TRS to XLR male cable from the T1 to the Y-cable, and a one-XLR-female to two-XLR-male Y-cable to the two wall jacks.  Personally, I do not recommend this solution as your signal output is like to be lower, you do not know exactly how the system is wired on the other side of the wall, and if you get the wrong Y-cable, it could damage their system and yours.
  • There is one other option you might consider.  Get a small, cheap one- or two-channel stereo mixer to go in between your T1 and the wall jacks.  That way you can send one signal from your T1 to a mono channel on the mixer, and then two XLR cables from it to the wall jacks.  That would almost certainly be cheaper than the line splitter.  You could control the volume sent to the house independently, but you would be adding another second volume control to contend with.

I know that's a lot of complexity, and extra expense (especially if you get the line splitter.)  In your case, it also depends on how often you hope to play at this venue.  The options I've listed should cover the most likely scenarios.

 

Does that help?

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Re: Tonematch connect to 2x XLR

Many thanks for the detailed message. In the end it turned out the inputs were channel 1 and 2 not left and right.  It worked perfectly with 1 x XLR to the master using 1/4" stereo jack. 

Thanks again! 

Rick